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> has a tendency to go for very non idiomatic patterns (like using exceptions for control flow).

It tends to always write Java even if it's Elixir. Usage rules help: https://hexdocs.pm/usage_rules/readme.html


There's a difference between "imagination and willingness to experiment" and "blind faith and gullibility".

Last time I wanted to try it it was nowhere near DO: https://x.com/dmitriid/status/1835649083345649780

You've posted that twice in this thread. I don't think it's as damning as you think it is.

I agree, seems he's on a mission instead.

Ah yes. The "mission" of pointing out how bad companies are in the most trivial details.

Last time this came up I decided to try Scaleway which is at the top of their "cloud computing" list.

"European alternative" that doesn't know that European addresses have non-ASCII characters: https://x.com/dmitriid/status/1835649083345649780


I'm sure there are much bigger and more worthwhile criticisms to be had than this.

It's something they should fix and if they did would you suddenly switch to Scaleway? I think you would consider other factors first.

A good critique for example is OVH lost a lot of customer data due to a fire. Where was the redundancy? That would make me think twice before switching to OVH.


> A good critique for example is OVH lost a lot of customer data due to a fire. Where was the redundancy? That would make me think twice before switching to OVH.

I lost a VPS in that fire, but I was up and running a few hours later with a new VPS at a different OVH location.

Not to deflect blame away from OVH and their large screw up, but we should never rely only on the redundancy of the hosting provider. Even on AWS, I wouldn't trust them to not lose my data if one of their datacenters burns down.

At the time I was making regular backups to two different providers with servers somewhere else. When I noticed that it was serious, I ordered a new VPS and restored everything. If OVH itself went down, I could have used Scaleway, Hetzner, Contabo, etc.


A lack of Unicode support in 2026 is like someone coming with dirty clothes to a job interview: it might not affect too much how the work is done, but immediately raises doubts about the underlying level of professionalism.

That was 2024 (still inexcusable), they managed to fix it at one point https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46734771

> It's something they should fix and if they did would you suddenly switch to Scaleway?

You know why I have this screenshot? Because I literally tried to switch to "great European alternative" that is "as slick as DO".

After a third or a fourth screen, most of which felt completely isolated and disconnected from any previous ones, I gave up on the screen that couldn't handle a standard European address.

This was literally the point that I gave up.

So I went ahead... and signed up with Hetzner.

Edit

So I decided to try again. Literally the first page of account sign in tried to trick you into accepting tracking

Since I apparently had an account, I could login... So redirected to a subdomain with the same cookie popup. On a site that is solely for billing address collection

which then redirects you to a third domain with the a similar but different popup.

Which ends up on an empty page indistinguishable in "usability" from Hetzner (or worse)

That's the end of my experience of my "European DO that is Scaleway".

They did fix the addresss boxes, kudos to them


Hetzner/Linode were MITMing their client(jabber.ru): https://notes.valdikss.org.ru/jabber.ru-mitm/

Was it Hetzner, or was it an attacker hosting on Hetzner/Linode?

It was the German equivalent of the NSA, with the German equivalent of a National Security Letter, sent to Hetzner to force them to intercept this customer's traffic. The same thing happens in the USA.

Sigh Time to setup my own dedicated servers.

The German NSA seemed unable to access the server as they only intercepted the traffic. They got a TLS certificate from Let's Encrypt by intercepting traffic. If the app had used public key pinning, and the server had full disk encryption, this wouldn't have been enough for a compromise.

> In the age of machine learning, I'm really surprised there aren't superhuman music recommendation algorithms.

Because music is extremely hard to quantify. What do you quantify it on? See https://everynoise.com/ (the mess on the page is quantifying by just three or four out of 17 IIRC parameters) and their small doc on it: https://everynoise.com/EverynoiseIntro.pdf

And doing that at scale across hundreds of millions of users quickly becomes prohibitively expensive. So companies simplify, and reach for simpler solutions, unfortunately.


This is true for most things that have recommendation engines.

> here is a strong incentive to only play music that is "owned" by labels and not directly by artists and performers.

Spotify has exactly zero music "directly by artists and performers". Even indie artists have to go through distributors and labels. Because without "owners" that own 60-80% of all world music, and that Spotify pays 70% of revenue to there would be no Spotify (or any music streaming service).


> Even indie artists have to go through distributors and labels.

Is it impossible for an artist to own their own label?

> or any music streaming service

That doesn't seem to follow from any part of your argument.


> That doesn't seem to follow from any part of your argument.

What happens when the Big Four pull their content from your platform because you started bypassing them?


You don't need to hand over any ownership or % of earnings if you self-publish and pay a distributor to put your album on the streaming platforms.

You don't many do. And, again, Spotify doesn't pay money to artists directly, but to rights holders and distributors.

You have to first find spotify in the court docs: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.65...

    ATLANTIC RECORDING CORPORATION;
    ATLANTIC MUSIC GROUP LLC; BAD
    BOY RECORDS LLC; ELEKTRA
    ENTERTAINMENT LLC; ELEKTRA
    ENTERTAINMENT GROUP INC.; FUELED
    BY RAMEN LLC; WARNER MUSIC
    INTERNATIONAL SERVICES LIMITED;
    WARNER RECORDS INC.; WARNER
    RECORDS LLC; SONY MUSIC
    ENTERTAINMENT; ARISTA MUSIC;
    ARISTA RECORDS, LLC; ZOMBA
    RECORDING LLC; UMG RECORDINGS,
    INC.; CAPITOL RECORDS, LLC; and
    SPOTIFY USA INC.,

       Plaintiffs,
ANd then you could read the decision https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.65...:

    Factual Background - III

    The Record Company Plaintiffs’ business model relies
    in significant part on the licensing of their catalogs of sound recordings
    to legitimate streaming services like Spotify.
IMO Spotify couldn't care less. The actual owners of music care.

> American startups and businesses get investor money from all over the world, including from Europe.

Ah yes, the "real business" of American startups: losing billions of dollars a year with not even a business plan to turn a profit, in hopes of being acquired by a larger entity.


Ah yes. The simple thing of fixing all societal issues.

> The market is far too risk-averse for a grassroots early-stage startup scene.

Or, in reality: there's literally no expectation for companies to succeed or to turn in profit in the US, and hasn't been for over a decade.

US startups now exist to do one thing hoping for exactly one of two outcomes. Do: spend unlimited investor money. Hope: to be acquired by larger entities, or to engage in VC-subsidized predatory-pricing long enough to try and kill others doing the exact same thing, and become "too big to fail".


> no expectation for companies to succeed or to turn in profit in the US, and hasn't been for over a decade.

It's been a lot longer than a decade. The initial dot-com boom was nearly 30 years ago.

It's very much institutionalized at this point. And the US continues to produce the most valuable companies in the world.


The US continues to produce "most valuable companies" by the absolute non-sensical value called "market share" and "market capitalization".

Menawhile almost every single of those "valuable" companies are either actively harmful, or keep offloading the effects of their operations onto society.

Prime example: Uber lost 20 billion dollars, will never get them back, and offloaded all the issues of gig workers on workers themselves, or the society. It's "value" (market cap) is "175 billion dollars" (it's not)


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