But that's absolutely not generative AI (which bandcamp explicitly stated the policy is for) and it's not even classifiable as traditional AI. The session tracks are just some base patterns selected by sliders attached to options adjust stuff like "play these notes in an inverted chord".

Hmm, a few years ago, such a feature would have been called "AI" in marketing materials, no? Aren't all current GenAI tools in some way "just some base patterns selected by sliders attached to options adjust stuff" - only the 'base patterns' are some weights in a neural network.

> new sounds and musical forms

Has it done this? Or does it just make things that sound like what it's trained on?

That's why it's the dream.

I mean, even if it's just a pastiche machine, I do believe that people could use it to make new and interesting music, just like they did with sampling.

But yeah, music is so accessible and there is so much new music all the time that if all, or most, of what AI is being used for is to make even more of the same stuff we're already awash in then banning it is necessary curation.

> I'd like to think HN is generally better at this than most communities, but it's hard to imagine we're immune.

This is a zero-barrier-to-entry forum (not even an email required!) that has the eyes of a people prone to being involved with startups. Why would you think in any way this would be better than an average equivalent? Because you don't personally notice it?

There's little barrier to entry, but for the most part the community does good internal policing. Stupid emotional comments are pushed down, and the worst ones are flagged. (I've had a few moments of weakness here, so I'm not trying to be sanctimonious here)

I see a lot of people who conflate "my opinion, which is the correct opinion just won't fly here, so how can you say the community does a good job of self-policing?" I really don't agree with this. Any community is going to hold some opinions you disagree with, and will hold some bad or even wrong opinions. What I generally (but not always) see is HN upvoting comments that are thoughtful and intelligent, not necessarily ones that I think might be correct.

Did you read the article at all? No, it was an actual catastrophe. There was damage, years of disruption for the work going on down there, a close call for the people working down there, years of cleanup running half a billion dollars.

The strength of argument you're making reminds me of an onion headline.

https://theonion.com/this-war-will-destabilize-the-entire-mi...

"This War Will Destabilize The Entire Mideast Region And Set Off A Global Shockwave Of Anti-Americanism vs. No It Won’t"

I was thinking of that when I wrote it.

If you talk to people who deal with inference using large fungible datasets, this is an extremely difficult governance problem. semver is incredibly insufficient and you don't have a well defined meaning of what "upgrade" even means let alone "major", "minor", and "patch".

It's a major disservice to the problem to act like it's new and solved or even solvable using code revision language.

But that's objectively not true unless you're just trolling or being sarcastic? The cost and reach of ground based systems still has a considerable amount of use, still have many projects of those types ongoing. There's been a ton of great work on things like adaptive optics and laser guides have been excellent breakthroughs in extending that reach.

You say that like it's mutually exclusive.

It is a joke. Microsoft is the joke.

> They believe those platforms are "public spaces" while they truly are "private spaces trying to destroy all other public spaces in order to get a monopoly."

There's nothing I can add to this.

You can: you can mention Slack and Discord. :( :( :(

signed, another dinosaur (with a flawless "inbox 0" track record at both work and home, for decades now)

LLMs are a new phase of this. This time, I think it will truly kill the open web and reroute all traffic to two or three websites.

I don't see how this will kill the web.

If anything, it might make it easier to find more of the older nerdier web that wasn't made for profit.

Also, there are so many people that are already so rabidly anti-AI that I'm certain they will form their own communities outside the mainstream.

And kill many apps, maybe even OSes.

When most of what a user can do can be done from one single UI, the low friction will win.

And since all the data must be sent to the service, and that a super intelligent AI analysis all this data, the spying that is already considered outrageous today will reach unprecedented level.

Now, associate that with the fact the last year people in charge of said systems kissed the ring of the power that be in the most disgusting way. Add what we learned about surveillance from 3 letters agency.

You get your dystopia. It's not an if now. It's a when.

We need to solve that problem now. Once we hit it, we will lose the ability to solve it.

And I'm not sure where you could go on earth to escape it.

Nor should you, digitally. Each ideation we have of how it can be further used to break our civil rights, is being used as a playbook to do exactly that. Warn your friends in person, but don't give the basilisk a free lunch.