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Heroin is addictive. Physical compulsion is addiction. What you are talking about is not addiction. It shares some elements, but no one is breaking into cars so they can scroll Instagram.

They are lying and stealing from their parents to “scroll instagram”

And the parents feel entitled to the truth...why? Children are not property.

What specifically do you mean by 'stealing'?


From the original comment

> lied and deceived extensively to gain access to devices, and repeatedly sacrificed relationships and trust for more screen time

It’s not about truth, it’s about lying to gain access to devices. Lying to gain access is a type of theft therefore stealing.


I disagree with that analysis. It strikes me that a parent is denying a child access to something that the vast majority of other children have access to while that child is forced to live under a structure that prevents them from generating enough income to obtain their own device independently.

As that entire structure is illegitimate, the actions of the child are understandable.


Exactly. And what worries me is that they are essentially greasing the groove for these synapses, growing the neural network around deception and dishonesty. If they get into gambling in 5 years or so and happen to have a partner, they will already be somewhat adapted and practiced in hiding this activity quite effectively rather than seeking and accepting help. It's worrying. It's all foundational to very self-destructive habits from my perspective.

This is pseudo-intellectual nonsense - we are strangers to ourselves, we do not truly know how the mind works.

Apple has an engineering base that includes people who were recently children.

Think about it that way: why would they make things harder for who they were in the very recent past.


> Apple has an engineering base that includes people who were recently children.

What?

I didn’t realize Apple with in the habit of hiring people straight out of high school instead of after going through enough university education that ends up with candidates in their early to mid 20s


Yep. They hire talent. University grads will work alongside red team folks that are maybe 22 years old and have been at Apple for two years. It's a thing.

I personally know more than one person who has a background along those lines.


I was more pointing out that 22+ year olds aren’t people who were “recently children” unless we’re continuing the trend of infantilizing adults farther into their 20s.

I was also under the impression that the faangs hired a larger % of post docs into their first industry job than most companies, so you’re also getting 27+ year olds as entry level engineers and scientists


I think someone who is 22 was 17 in the not that distant past.

Apple hires talent, they don't care about anything else. Again, I am speaking to things I know from my actual life and people I know in the physical world.


> Apple hires talent, they don't care about anything else. Again, I am speaking to things I know from my actual life and people I know in the physical world.

How many people do they hire without college degrees?

I am legitimately asking. I understand that was a thing in the tech world decades ago but my understanding was that big tech’s idea of “talent” has evolved to include mandatory education credentials like at least a bachelor’s degree if not further education.

18 is recently a kid

22 is someone whose been an adult for an entire Presidential term. I might be splitting hairs but I struggle to view that as “recent”

Edit: removed an unnecessarily aggressive paragraph that added nothing to the conversation


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Where are the faangs hiring people with skills sans the credentials? Everyone I’ve talked to at faangs has basically described it being the next step after college for everyone they hire, other than Amazon

Ah, too late to edit but this is another sub year account making statements like

> 22 is recently a kid. We have nothing further to discuss; you are unreasonable.

Using a semicolon correctly while claiming another human held position is unreasonable. Definitely regular human activity.

@dang, is this forum just going to be humans talking with a forest of bots are you guys going to have any moderation


We don't see everything, and we don't see anything instantly, especially at this time of day/week/year. We've said many times that bots and LLM-generated comments are banned on HN but we can only take action if people use the mechanisms that have been in place for years – flagging bad comments and emailing us (hn@ycombinator.com) to draw our attention to things.

You remain an awful person. I am happy to go through any form of humanity/identity verification that staff want me to. My posts are written by me and never AI - I strongly oppose genAI.

All those companies are, or used to be, based in the US. Those 22 year olds have only been allowed to drink for a year so by one measure they were recently children.

The Gabb thing is the fault of the parent.

By buying a child a locked down device - a hostile device that few would have accepted for themselves as a child - they marked them as 'being a child' rather than blending in with the rest of the people on the Internet.

By marking them this way, they advertise the child to the predators of the world.

This is someone who is twelve. They aren't six. Life involves risk. Stop playing with account controls and let the person play Minecraft. This really isn't that hard.

Having thoughts about physically breaking a child's holiday gifts - of doing that in front of them - is suggestive of being a pretty awful person. You can't figure out something that the child does not want, so you want to break their stuff?

How much longer do you intend to keep this routine up? Is your objective for them to go no contact? What are you seeking here?


Hetzner is also sinkholed by lots of EDR products because they host a ton of malicious garbage. They are a bad actor.


Why is it their job to be the arbiters of what customers are allowed to do on their platform?


To be fair, most hosting platforms have those in T&S, some even explicitly say you can't torrent pirated movies and even monitor your activities.


Same as AWS. I've added quite a few AWS ip ranges to my firewall.


It's almost like Clouds are really good at scaling and some rented server isn't! Perfect, almost poetic.


It’s entirely possible for a rented server to host a site that gets millions of views. It’s also entirely possible to make an AWS setup that chokes with 100.


I use Cloudflare in front of my personal stuff. Then it's just a quick DNS switch to go direct if I need to.


It's almost like nobody cares about scaling their blog.


Idiotic piece - the purpose of 'the cloud' is to scale large demand applications. Rental hardware can't really do that.


The post is about that 99% of companies that will never go large scale. Its point is that they don't need cloud, buying a server or two is all they need.


I once worked at a bookmaker with millions of customers where they had extreme reliability demands during very popular events, since any bets that the punters couldn't place during live betting was lost money. They had one massive server with a big pipe and an identical hot spare in another location. It worked very well for them. That was a decade ago, you can get even bigger servers these days, there's a lot of room for scaling without needing to go beyond one machine.


An argument which begins by reducing an entire industry down to a single "purpose" is not convincing.


The vast majority of businesses are not "large demand applications".

> Idiotic piece

That's unnecessary; please don't do that here. Weird that you created an account just to post an unsubstantive comment.


You can automate scaling rental hardware too


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