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Proton have a real problem with intrusive practices. 2 things that happened on the span of 2 years and almost got me to leave them :

1 - there was a persistent, very visible at all time big ass button on the Proton-Mail UI asking/suggesting to upgrade to a more premium plan, while I was already a paid customer. It was done in a way that was so wrong. Never experienced such frustrating things elsewhere even with my 99% full google drive.

2 - This must’ve been 2022 or 2023 Black Friday/cyber Monday season and there was a persistant, hardcoded, very annoying pop up that would immediately spawn each time I was opening Proton-Mail, asking me against to upgrade to the more premium plan than the premium I had, this will spawn every time I refresh despite hitting “don’t show this again”.

There are so many slick and smart way to get customer to use more services. Shoving unsolicited pop ups and spams is the worst thing you could do for your brand. I even start to wonder about their core values of privacy and whatnot, they play the suiss neutral privacy friendly so badly, their head of marketing is either so bad and should be fired or we going to discover another [Crypto AG](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG) scandal.


I don't understand these low effort, superficial takes on complex topics from non-specialists trying to get visibility.\ This is literally 101 neural network/deep learning fact you learn when you are introduced to LLMs : it is a non-lossless compression of large dataset.

[Anredj Karpathy first minutes of Intro to Large Language Models / 4Min20](https://youtu.be/zjkBMFhNj_g?t=257)

Training is a compression of a huge chunk of the internet.

The replies and interactions looks like a bunch of agentic models discussing with each others. Nobody is real.


"prompt engineering" ....ouch. I would say "common sense"\ also the problem with software engineering is that there is an inflation of SWE, too much people applying for it for compensation level rather than being good at it and really liking it, we ended up having a lot of bad software engineers that requires this crutch crap.


"Common sense" doesn't exist. It is a term people use when they can't explain what they actually mean.


Not sure I fully agree - sometimes maybe, but I think in the majority of cases it's used when people feel they dont need to explain exactly what they mean because it should already be obvious to most people.

Example. "Always look when you cross the road" is a snippet common sense, with lack of heeding to that sense resulting in you potentially being hit by a car. Even a 4 year old wouldnt need the latter explanation, but most people could articulate that if they needed to. Its just a way of speeding up communication


I was quite old when I realized that Common sense is literally “common experiences”.

A colleague and I were lamenting a laughably bad outage that we thought showed a total lack of common sense resulting in an obvious issue. Then we both realized that the team had never had such an experience whereas the two of us had. Every member of that team now has that particular “common sense”.

Likewise, “don’t run in front of cars”. As a kid, a mate broke his leg running onto the street and getting hit. I think near misses happen a lot when we’re kids.

But far fewer has an “common sense” about prompt engineering because there’s just much less experience.


Also how common sense can exist with LLM?

There is no common sense with it - it is just an illusion.


Presumably it is your common sense.


Markets shift people to where they are needed with salaries as a price signal.

There aren't enough software engineers to create the software the world needs.


>There aren't enough software engineers to create the software the world needs.

I think you mean "to create the software the market demands." We've lost a generation of talented people to instagram filters and content feed algorithms.


To maintain ;) the software.


Lots of those „prompt engineering” things would be nice to teach to business people as they seem to lack common sense.

Like writing out clear requirements.


The less you use “crutches” the better you get, right? Judging by your comment, you don’t use Google, Stack Overflow, public forums (for programming assistance), books, courses, correct?


I've read Acer for some reason, and was surprise and disappointed it is actually Asus.


SEO Strategist sounds like "Prompt Engineer" i.e not involved in the foundational creation of the tools and their back-end, understanding their internal mechanics, what is really to create a "Search" engine and how it works but you're rather reverse engineering and heuristically guessing how they work on surface. In essence you're optimizing keywords to improve a resource reach for a search engine, until the said search engine changes its ranking algorithm. Because of this I cant really give credit to what you are stating. Plus this really felt like hyping Grok out of nowhere with those cringe screenshots of tweets as if they were made up, until you hype something else weeks later and post about how Perplexity AI will kill OpenAI (They won't, they are a ChatGPT wrapper). Google is presumed dead multiple times per month. Read their financial statement, Search is literally their Life insurance, don't you think they have their best guys on it?


Why do you think SEO Strategist sounds like "Prompt Engineer"?

Why do you feel I'm hyping Grok and predict "...until you hype something else weeks later"?

I just wrote a draft concluding that Grok might be an idiot after all after a stupid answer.

I don't know how well you understand crawling, rendering, indexing and ranking in organic search but I'm not sure you know what I do on a daily basis.

I'd love to be involved in the creation of tools, and I would love to try to understand their back-end.

I'm the opposite of hype. If you want to roast me, here's a video that should give you some inspiration:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4zEadYJYIU


I was sucked in it for 1 hour


not if he is using his neighors

maybe he is using tor on top of it

who knows


I’ve never understood the neighbor approach. What’s the logic for that? Instead of your skin, it’s a person one door down from you, that was generous enough to share their connection with you? That’s not anonymity, that’s just outsourcing the identity to someone that probably extended trust to you. And if other things like Tor remove that connection, then what was the point of using a neighbor in the first place?


Generous to share? What makes you think the neighbor even knows about it? Also, one door down? They make antennas that can reach much further than that. If you're in a high rise building, you can even be picking up something from another floor in a different building more than one door down.

You're just not trying very hard if you're using your immediate next door neighbor.


This is an unnecessarily obtuse and pedantic response to the thought being raised.

Yes, a neighbor may not realize they're sharing their network, however, interpreting their "next door" comment as a literal unit of proximity doesn't make your comment look as intelligent as you may think it does.


This is an unnecessarily obtuse and pedantic response to the thought being raised and doesn't make your comment look as intelligent as you may think it does.


If you are hell bent on being a scumbag then there’s a whole different lack of rules.


kind of violent approach but I agree on the bottom line. I don't see why should somebody be enthousiast about this. someone was just able to spend 8× the figures a random teen is able to spend for his gaming rig, and he just iterated the teen's rig 8 times, he then installed ubuntu+cuda and called it a day.

something that is actually interesting that is attempting to bring something on the table : check tinygrad/tinycorp


I thought we safe and beyond these kind of considerations, especially in the EU, since the wikileaks/snowden/shelsea manning era? Aren’t we? Well, I guess you should never take something for granted…


People are never beyond evil. Just the justification for why they strife for evil will change. And to be fair, with the justification, the impact can also change.



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