The issue is not so much an artist that will use it as a tool, even though there is much to say about it, it's the hundred of thousands of people with no interest in music whatsoever, that will flood the platforms in order to make a quick buck.

> it's the hundred of thousands of people with no interest in music whatsoever, that will flood the platforms in order to make a quick buck.

Whenever I look at popular artists on streaming platforms, I see 'remixes' where people just slowed down the particular original song and added reverb or some other silly effect to it. I don't think AI existing or not will change the behaviour of people trying to make a quick buck. If they aren't using AI, they'll use a different tool as they did before.

People who won’t invest anything and just want to make a quick buck won’t be successful with AI generated content/music.

You still need to invest significant time and effort to make it work.

Musicians who are being threatened by AI impersonating them, flooding the market with music like theirs, and otherwise actually harmed by this would disagree with you. Benn Jordan speaks at length about it in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVXfcIb3OKo

They will be successful in drowning out the artists. Not individually so, but collectively.

LOL you clearly haven’t checked the flows of million-plus-views ambient music bullshit videos on YouTube

I never said it’s impossible to be successful with slop, i said it still needs work and time investment to be successful

But that’s exactly my point. The time and effort invested in making ambient music for those channels is utterly negligible

They are though by sheer volume. Finding anything half good will be a needle in a planet sized haystack of slop.

This has already been the case way before AI was a thing.

As a new artist you have to compete against 60+ years of music history - much of it really good music too.

> As a new artist you have to compete against 60+ years of music history

Kinda, sorta. Good music is reflective of the society and era it was produced in and that matters. I regularly listen to music, from all over the world, that was composed (and some, recorded) 100+ years ago, music that was recorded 50+ years ago, and music that was recorded last month. None of them are a substitute for the other because each has a unique voice expressing things that were unique about the time and place they were made in.

So, in a sense, they aren't in competition with each other. But also, there are only so many hours in a day and there isn't enough time in your life to listen to all the worthy music that humans have made. Hard choices are necessary. In that sense, they are in competition with each other.

As a listener this is a good thing. Too much good music.

Now it’s that the listener has to compete with 60x absolute slop to find something good.

I personally don’t have that problem. I can find new good music easily on soundcloud/bandcamp/youtube - much more than I have time to consume. Maybe this 60x absolute slop thing is a problem if you use services like Spotify - which arguably are a much bigger plight upon artists than AI generated slop

You're right, but for EDM this was pretty much already the case. The scene survives in large part thanks to DJs who wade through countless mediocre tracks looking for the few hidden gems to deploy at the right moment. I think AI means that DJs will become much more important in all genres.

Sure, as soon as you tell me how I'm supposed to record and mix a whole band with instruments with Glicol

IS there any DAW plugins that do that ?

There are several. I've only tried one of them (free, can't remember which) but went back to UVR5.

While it's convenient not having to split stems into separate files beforehand, by using a VST, you usually end up doing so anyway while editing and arranging.

It is a great learning tool for people who are willing to learn and put in the time and effort. Ask good questions, double check everything, read documentation and make sure they understand everything before they move on. It's a tremendous tool if used correctly. People who just hit tab or past everything Claude generates will get worse. The benefits of "the old way" is that even the people who didn't want to put in the effort where making some improvement if only by friction and time spent.

This is a bit more complex that you make it sound, and I'm wondering this is on purpose.

- Submission based magazines, who pay their writers, like Clarkesworld for example, are being flooded with LLM generated submissions. Those have been automated by people who hit every magazines multiple times with the hope that one makes it through and make a few bucks. This made the work of reviewer absolute hell, their volume of work multiplied by 10.

- The same is true with music, fake bands are being created and the music submitted to streaming platform with the hope that it will generate some kind of passive income

- Etsy shops are absolutely filled to the brim with bad AI slop, the whole platform became barely usable anymore

The same thing is absolutely true with software. You make is sound like it's a few hobbyist that are using AI tools to solve problems and that evil engineers are gatekeeping them because they want to be the only one mastering the arcane arts, but that's overly simplistic and frankly, intellectually dishonest, even if you set aside the fact that at some point one of those vibe coders is going the bite more that they can chew and expose their users, the vast majority of them is looking at making money easily, that means flooding the market with subpar software in hope to generate some money. Just browse a few of the vibe coders subreddits or discord channel to see that it's mostly what is being discussed.

And, I know I'm not the only one that noticed that over reliance on LLMs has some bad consequences on people, especially juniors. Yes it can be used properly in a productive way, but a lot of people don't bother. Make fun of people who are worried about it all you want, but for all the good gen AI will bring, there absolutely will be an enshitification of about everything. I won't even talk about the golden opportunity it is for scammers and malicious agents. I don't know if it'll be worth it, possibly ? But there will be a price to pay.

It would help if the form included a mandatory checkbox stating, "As the author, I declare that I created the submitted work myself without the use of AI." The terms and conditions would state that authors would be banned forever if it was discovered that they had lied.

I like tiling a lot more than I like floating windows. Cosmic is my daily driver and is awesome. I just wish it had a bit more customization options, I don't want to spend days rummaging through wikis like with hyprland but having a bit more control over it would be nice, not a deal breaker though

Have you tried Mistral ? Definitely one of the fastest models

I've tried Mistral for coding and it seems to be laughably bad every time. Dunno what I'm doing wrong.

My employer doesn’t offer/allow anything besides the “traditional” offerings on GitHub copilot.

I wouldn't call it the last frontier. Gaming works well enough for me to not have to worry about.

I am, however, obligated to keep a Windows partition around because I do music production. If there are good DAWs that run natively on Linux, almost all plugins won't run on Linux. Everything plugin that runs as standalone or anything similar is guaranteed to not work on Linux.

I am thinking about getting a Mac mini for music production only, seems it's probably the lesser of 2 evils

Which VSTs you had problems with? Have you tried LinVst?

Is Berlin in Poland ?

I'm partial to crate -> cagette