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Outside of SV the thought of More Tech being the answer to ever greater things is met with great skepticism these days. It's not that people hate engineers, and most people are content to hold their nose while the mag7 make 401k go up, but people are sick of Big Tech. Like it or not, the Musks, Karps, Thiels, Bezos's have a lot to do with that.

Popularity gets you nowhere though. What matters is money and money. Those 401k holders are tied down to the oligarchy.

Not imputing that to you, but it seems like they are people out there that believe money is all that matters. The map with the richest details won't save anyone in a territory that was turned into a wasteland unable to produce a single apple on the whole land.

Yes, but thats because Capitalism is mostly built of the idea of fungibility. So yeah, Americans have told themselves for over a century, whatever they need, just substitute money and you can get it eventually. All other things aside, that's a pretty toxic way if not downright psychotic, way to reframe your relationship with society and other people.

For those building applications with Langfuse and Clickhouse - do you like these products? I get the odd request to do an AI thing, and my previous experience with LLM wrappers convinced me to stay away from them (Langchain, Llamaindex, Autogen, others). In some cases they were poorly written, and in other ways the march of progress rendered their tooling irrelevant fairly quickly. Are these better?

Ive used Langfuse. It's completely unrelated to tools like Langchain and Autogen. It's just logging/tracing for LLMs. Sure they added stuff like "prompt management" and "epxeriments" etc. probably to keep investors happy but those are entirely optional sidedishes.

The tools you mentioned are indeed to be avoided. I trialed them early on and quickly realized in 99.9% they do nothing but bog you down. Pretty sure they'll be dead sooner rather than later.


The observability stuff can be nice for deployments but really, these libraries/frameworks don't actually do much more than provide some structure, which unless you're expecting a team with high turnover to maintain it, doesn't really matter all that much, especially if you're an experienced developer, you'll find better design/architectures fitting for your use case without them.

Hm I find this very much a "please reinvent the wheel" take.

These frameworks provide structure for established patterns,but they also actually do a lot that you don't have to do anymore. If you are for example building an agentic application then these kind of frameworks make it very simple to create the workflows, do the chat with the model providers, provide structure for agentic skills, decision making and the human in the loop, etc. etc.

All stuff that I would consider "low level". All things you don't have to build.

If you have an aversion to frameworks then sure - by all means. But if you like to move faster and using good building blocks then these frameworks really help.

One thing to keep in mind - many of these AI frameworks are open source and work really well without needing backend services. Or you can self host them where needed. But for many that is also the premium model, please use and pay for our backend services. But that is also a choice of course.


> All stuff that I would consider "low level". All things you don't have to build.

But those are also very trivial to build, and you end up having to customize them for your need, and if the framework don't have those levers, better be prepared to either fork the framework, or spend time contributing upstream.

Or, start simple yourself with what you need, use libraries for the hairy parts you don't want to be responsible for the implementation of, then pipe these things together. You'll get a less compromised experience, and you'll understand 100% how everything works, which is the part people generally try to avoid and that's why they're reaching for frameworks.

> But if you like to move faster and using good building blocks then these frameworks really help.

I find that they help a lot with the "move faster" part in the beginning, but after that period, they slow you down instead. But I'm also a person that favors "slow software design and development" where you take your time to nail down a good design/architecture before you run. Slow is fast, and avoiding hairballs is the most important part if you're aiming for "move fast for longer" rather than "a sprint of fast".


We like Langfuse for observability via OpenTelemetry. Prompt management is too basic for our needs.

Let me know what features are missing in prompt management

It's quite likely that the answer to the worlds problems isn't more apps/products. AI may have arrived at a moment to bring the cost down of creating software there isn't much demand for in the first place.

Sure, that's one part of it, but this technology is also used by highly intelligent people in tech and other industries, some of whom are singing its praises. I would expect to see amazing products and innovations from them, and yet progress has largely maintained the same momentum. Am I expecting too much, too soon?

Hey, why doesn't the pricing for google workspace go DOWN if it's become so cheap to maintain it because of "AI" "agents" ?

Literally all much of the business world needed was a slightly more capable VB but now we have a bunch of crappy, web browser based SaaS platforms instead.

There has been a legitimate hole after Excel, where Access, VB or other tools sat to help businesses grow.

When that hole wasn't as big, it seemed fewer software projects failed.


Same. I randomly had time off and someone in IRC noticed. I traveled from the US to Germany to hang out with them. Their brother was involved in BMW racing, and we hung out at Stuttgart for a few weekends in a trailer. Some of the best weeks of my life.

If federal agents want exceptional power while running around in military gear, using military tactics, put them under the UCMJ and fry them for conduct unbecoming when they mess up.

I prefer a jury of us peers. Would you rather them tried by a colonel at Fort Bragg, or 12 Minneapolitans?

Good point - I think there would need to be a UCMJ equivalent for armed, federal LEO, in which case the accused would be judged by peers across agencies.

Just what do actual soldiers think of the LARPers, anyway?

It's all part of an unfortunate cultural shift. Perhaps it was a combination of video games, internet/influencer culture, and the fascination with SOF units popularized more heavily during GWOT. There has always been an element of boys wanting to be cool in the military, which is fine if kept in check, but people aren't selected for SOF units based on their ability to wear gear or work out really hard. They're looking for people with reduced stress response and can make clear headed decisions (cosplay doesn't give you these things).

There is something very irritating seeing someone dismiss someone else on the internet using condescending therapy speak 'Thats Ok', nevermind the fact that calling him out as some ignorant Chinese guy while China has hundreds of cultures and languages, as if a Chinese person couldn't comprehend... Europe.


The way to respect isn’t through shaming people into it. It’s through demonstration of value, in this case understanding of nuance.

Instead we get an application of external logic and values which can’t be used to properly reason about the entity they’re applied to.

There’s no need for frustration. We take the stoic approach here. It’s OK. You are a product of your environment. Everything you’ve ever experienced told you this is the way to act.


FWIW this comes across as very condescending to me too. Maybe try a different framing.


Interestingly, you’re demonstrating arrogance.

All you’re bringing to the discussion is “my feelings are hurt”. And you’re putting the onus to fix that on me.

You have the power to change your paradigm, but you refuse to. Others have to see things through your lens, you won’t have the flexibility to change yours for a moment.

Meanwhile I’ve started with a plausible explanation of why someone sees things differently.

From the get go, I had more willingness to understand than you did.

How’s that for a framing?


Good framing


Europe and China are quite different, historically and culturally. It would make sense that people from the two regions wouldn't know about each other. The world is full of detail. As someone who's lived in both the west and asia I'm still surprised by little differences I see every week.


It's a European guy coping on HN.

That's OK.

They have no idea my sub-region of California produces the entire GDP of their country.


I don't really view this as the show runners fault. GRRM was unable to complete his own work. The show worked best when it drew from the authors own material (GRRM was a screenwriter himself and knew how to write great dialog/scenes).


It's absolutely the producer's fault. They actively choose to release the product they did instead of making more episodes, taking long, bringing other people in to help, etc.

Martin has claimed he flew to HBO to convince them to do 10 seasons of 10 episodes instead of the 8 seasons with just 8 episodes in the final one [1]. It was straight up just D.B. Weiss and David Benioff call how the series ended.

[1]: https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/george-rr-martin-shut-out-g...


Well thank th FSM that the article opens right up with buy now! No thanks, I'm kind of burnt out on mindless consumerism, I'll go pot some plants or something.


I didn't see any of that.

I highly recommend disabling javascript in your browser.

Yes, it makes many sites "look funny", or maybe you have to scroll past a bunch of screen sized "faceplant" "twitverse" and "instamonetize" icons, but, there are far fewer ads (like none).

And of course some sites won't work at all. That's OK too, I just don't read them. If it's a news article, its almost always available on another site that doesn't require javascript.


Probably using reader mode by default would be less guttural experience (and you’ll have an easy fallback).


Used to work. No longer. What does work is archive.today. But even that is at risk. Some sites now presented encoded text when you view the archive.


I would not be able to handle that due to video streaming, web clients for things like email, etc. And some sites I trust (including HN) provide useful functionality with JS (while degrading gracefully).

But I use NoScript and it is definitely a big help.


I whole-heartedly agree with your recommendation and join in encouraging more adopters of this philosophy and practice.

Life online without javascript is just better. I've noticed an increase in sites that are useful (readable) with javascript disabled. Better than 10 years ago, when broken sites were rampant. Though there are still the lazy ones that are just blank pages without their javascript crutch.

Maybe the hardware/resource austerity that seems to be upon us now will result in people and projects refactoring, losing some glitter and glam, getting lean. We can resolve to slim down, drop a few megs of bloat, use less ram and bandwidth. It's not a problem; it's an opportunity!

In any case, Happy New Year! [alpha preview release]


For all the toys my kids received until they hit 3+, they probably got the most enjoyment out of cardboard boxes.


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