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"For one, it begs credulity that someone who has filed patent applications dealing with cryptography had never heard of Bitcoin until I asked about it. That would be like a journalist claiming he never heard of Twitter."

this is a baseless assertion and essentially the crux of his argument. maybe real cryptographers don't spend any time thinking about bitcoin because it has the same relationship as twitter and real journalism.


(IANAL)

more than likely, yes. see US vs. auernheimer for a recent example. the complaint is here: http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/fil...

The complaint indicates that AT&T's publicly accessible endpoint is a protected computer under Title 18, United States Code, Section 1030(e)(2). a protected computer is basically any computer used for interstate or foreign commerce in the US, or outside the US if it affects the commerce thereof.

the issue hinges on intent - if you know that you're exceeding authorized access to obtain something of value. 18 USC 1030 was created in 1986 by the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and is often panned for being incredibly broad.

See this wikipedia page for more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act

(IANAL)


>the issue hinges on intent - if you know that you're exceeding authorized access to obtain something of value.

entertainment value?


so... you give it your location? from your cellphone? sounds pretty anonymous.


don't you ever question the strange phenomenon of these giant inhuman corporations manipulating us to the point where we choose one as a team, adopting our allegiance to them as an salient feature of our identity?

they don't give a fuck about us, at all - by definition, they are incapable of doing so.


such a good service - hope the project continues to receive the kind of stewardship it has gotten thus far.

if you haven't tried it, you're missing out.


have you used either one? because you'd understand why acquiring assistly is more attractive.


Who said it wasn't?


It's true that OnStar's TOS is awful, but the author leaps to several inflammatory conclusions that, to me, seem unjustified.

The most obvious one is when he mentions the boilerplate about a part of OnStar being sold, and then theorizes that they are actually planning to sell, perhaps even to one of those great boogeymen, Apple or Google.


There is a theory that you only build weapons that you intend to use, otherwise its a waste of funds. It cost money to put the language into the agreement and someone argued that cost with an offseting revenue. That suggests to me at least that the information will be packaged up and sold.

Now how nefarious will that sale be? That is fairly subjective. But as others have pointed out, if you're carrying around a smart phone you may already be giving more information to folks than you care to. It reads like OnStar wants in on that gravy train.


Companies get sold all the time. Maybe someone at OnStar realized that this is a realistic possibility in the next couple of years. Maybe OnStar wants to found a shell corporation.

I have seen such wording in a number of other TOSes so far, e.g. by Google [1]:

If Google becomes involved in a merger, acquisition, or any form of sale of some or all of its assets, we will ensure the confidentiality of any personal information involved in such transactions and provide notice before personal information is transferred and becomes subject to a different privacy policy.

[1] http://www.google.com/privacy/privacy-policy.html


I agree they get sold all the time, I've been hearing advertisements that I can get OnStar on my non-GM car in the SF Bay Area, so I presume they are expanding their reach.

One of the interesting techniques here is to make this change, get some heat (as they are) but then saying "Hey, its just boilerplate, we're not selling this stuff take a chill pill." And then 6 months or a year later, when everyone has forgotten the ruckus, do start selling the information, except that now since its pre-authorized by the ToS there is no 'lighthouse event' that goes up to alert the public to that fact.

A crusader would now start watching for news about OnStar partnering in six to nine months with someone who could use information about where people are, or where they go.


OnStar is a massive advantage for GM; I can't foresee them ever selling it.

Edited because my slippery thumbs hit submit early.


Re: unjustified -

  After learning that the unnamed system could be remotely
  activated to eavesdrop on conversations after a car was
  reported stolen, the FBI realized it would be useful for 
  "bugging" a vehicle, 
This is from 2004, the "unnamed system" is OnStar and FBI did use it to eavesdrop on someone.

[0] http://news.cnet.com/2100-1029_3-5109435.html?tag=st_util_pr...


Of all the companies to single out as entities you wouldn't want GPS data to be acquired by, Apple and Google are an odd choice.

I mean of all the possible companies that might acquire this GPS data, it's not like Apple or Google already have copious amounts of GPS data on us. Is it?


I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. Setting apart the location-based services built into mobile devices, every time you access a service from either Apple or Google you're pinging their server with an IP address that has a certain degree of geolocation. This includes accessing a website using Google Analytics.


they're both smug - what's confusing to me is why anyone who is not a major shareholder of these enormous corporations has feelings about these relatively boring narratives.


because it's like becoming a devotee to a religion.

Most people, instead of being the star of their own lives, want to follow a cult or religion or leader.

That's why people get such strong illogical feelings about a brand.


You could ask the same question about football fans (or any other sport for that matter).


MIT - not a school known for its English or Journalism programs.


this stack is... interesting. but the real problem, i think, with what he's saying, is that it is basically "i refuse to learn anything new that is not tightly bound to what i already know".

it's true that the laughter is unnecessary, and the trends and hype can be obnoxious, but it is somewhat about the excitement of always learning new things and new ways to think.


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