A number of those cars achieved better range in the test than the Model 3. BMW i5 BMW i5 eDrive40, Hyundai IONIQ 6, Kia EV9, Lotus Eletre, NIO EL6 (ES6), NIO ET5, XPeng G9, and the HiPhi Z all beat the Model 3.
The HiPhi Z currently on offer in Europe is not worth buying because they're trying to sell it with a GB/T port and an adapter. It's a dumb idea and it doesn't work well:
> You only hear about this one because it's Tesla.
So.. you're saying that power steering failures are common and then proceed to link to articles listing power steering related recalls. But then in the next breath you claim that we only hear about this one because it's Tesla.
Seems a bit contradictory. If we didn't hear about recalls from other car companies, you wouldn't be able to link to examples of them.
Your comment is an example of the "Tesla's just another car company like all the rest" line of defense offered up when there's bad news about Tesla.
> But then in the next breath you claim that we only hear about this one because it's Tesla.
"We" in this context is HN. Type 'recalls' in HN search and see how many Tesla vs non-Tesla recall news were popular on HN.
> Of all the administration's recalls in 2023, Ford issued the most recalls (58 or 16% of all recalls issued), followed by Chrysler with 45, per NHTSA data. That includes either parts of vehicles or entire vehicles recalled, and also compliance concerns over emissions standards or environmental regulations, and software or technology glitches.
> General Motors, Chrysler, BMW and Nissan all ranked in the top 10 most-impacted manufacturers, according to NHTSA.
The only notable thing about the comment section on the Toyota recall, is that it not filled with apologists crying that people are unfairly highlighting a safety issue.
Of course, Toyota is treated as a real car maker, and they should be scrutinized as such. Recalls are no joke.
But when it's a Tesla recall, the comment section is a shitshow. An odd mix of Musk sycophants, shills that are financially invested in the company, and fanboys that adopted Teslas as a sort of status symbol.
The funny thing is that initially I was neutral on Tesla. I didn't love or hate Elon, and saw Tesla as another US car maker, not more or less special than Ford, GM, etc.
But those people really soured me. If the consumers of those cars are willing to undermine its flaws for ulterior motives, that's one car I'll always refuse to buy.
Funny how you missed the irrational Tesla haters in comments, who said the Model 3 would never ship, and then that it would never be manufactured at scale, then that a Tesla bond payment due would render the company bankrupt. More lately that the Cybertruck would never ship. Or that SpaceX did no innovation. I don't know if they are just haters or short sellers but it's weird.
Not to mention the upvoters that bring almost every negative Tesla story and hit piece(many of them submarine anti-EV pieces from the right wing media) on to the front page.
One of my favorites is the below comment that was the most upvoted on a story about Tesla stock moving to the downside.
Someone quoting Brianna Wu who is neither an auto or stock analyst predicting that the stock would go below $100 in the next few days. Spoiler, the stock never did that and went on to triple in the next few months.
And anyone speaking out about that or arguing against it with facts or sources is labeled a fan or shill by people like you and downvoted. For example this comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34150931
That's the level of discourse on HN about Tesla. Hope no one shorted the stock based on the opinion of a Musk hater that translates it to Tesla. It's just a constant stream of FUD stories at this point.
So.. you're suffering from a persecution complex about a car brand?
I think there are bigger and better things to worry about than Tesla's image. You're not even getting paid to be Tesla's volunteer PR flack and spin doctor.
If you want a career in PR then at least get paid for it.
Just correcting people and noticing things is a persecution complex now? And nothing about all the haters of a car brand? Literally I just posted a list of URLs and stated that other car companies have had power steering problems too and it triggered a bunch of angry replies and got downvoted for listing inconvenient facts.
You're not just correcting people. You're saying things like "irrational Tesla haters" and "upvoters bring almost every negative Tesla story and hit piece on to the front page" and "you only hear about this one because it's Tesla".
That's less "noticing things" and more paranoia. And paranoia about something as trivial as a car brand. That is a significant loss of perspective.
An obvious problem with Tesla is its lack of commitment to the truth. When lying becomes standard operating procedure for a company then that company is not worth your time or money.
In 2016 Tesla claimed that "as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver". That was lie: https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now...
Tesla even feels the need to lie about something as dumb as quarter mile times for the Cybertruck. Their recent "quarter mile" video was fake. Lying is simply the company culture at Tesla:
So instead of running around with paranoid fantasies that world is out to get Tesla, first ask yourself why Tesla feels the need to lie so often. Then ask yourself why it is that you have to spend so much time and effort making excuses for Tesla.
Maybe it isn't the rest of the world that's the problem. Maybe all those articles that you don't like aren't "hit pieces" after all.
I could make a long list of 'lies' that other car companies made up with actual harms that are completely ignored and never brought up. Like the Volkswagen emissions scandal or the GM ignition scandal that resulted in deaths and criminal charges for hiding and falsifying information to the govt.
Even if what you said was true it's not okay to constantly make up misinformation about Tesla. As you listed there's enough to legitimately criticize Tesla and other automakers about, so why are people hell bent on making up things?
> So instead of running around with paranoid fantasies that world is out to get Tesla
There's a long line of shortsellers, fossil fuel and car company anti-EV lobby money in the media and just plain haters making up things, and anyone pointing out the falsehoods personally attacked.
I hate this trend of demonization of cancelling something or someone, and then falsehoods are spread and anyone pointing out the falsehoods are demonized.
> I could make a long list of 'lies' that other car companies made up with actual harms that are completely ignored and never brought up.
Ah, back to the "Tesla is just another car company like all the rest" whataboutism.
> Even if what you said was true
It is.
> it's not okay to constantly make up misinformation about Tesla
So.. it's made up misinformation that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is doing an engineering analysis of Tesla's power steering problems?
> There's a long line of shortsellers, fossil fuel and car company anti-EV lobby money in the media and just plain haters making up things, and anyone pointing out the falsehoods personally attacked.
Not that's your paranoia. Like how people on here said Cybertruck was scan for the preorder fees and would never ship based on similar thoughts like yours.
> So.. it's made up misinformation that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is doing an engineering analysis of Tesla's power steering problems?
When did I ever say that? I just noted that most other automakers' having similar issues and recalls don't reach the front page of HN. Ford had 68 recalls in 2023, how many reached HN's front page compared to Tesla's?
I was responding to a comment high up the page stating this:
> I've never driven a tesla.
>I've also never had my steering wheel randomly stop working in the middle of driving.
The implication is that only Teslas have power steering loss issues because the poster never had a Tesla and never had power steering losses, based on a faulty anectdotal assumption. Isn't that misleading if not misinformation?
Mazda just had a big recall for power steering loss:
> Mazda recall for power steering warning
Mazda is recalling 43,752 of its 2024 CX-90 vehicles. An assembly issue with the worn gear in the steering wheel system could result in a sudden loss of power steering assist. Loss of the power steering assists while driving increases the risk of a crash, the NHSTA reports.
> Mazda owners can visit their dealers to replace the spring engaging in the worn gear. The mechanics will reapply grease to the gear teeth, which will be free of charge. All Mazda owners affected will receive a notification letter on March 18. Owners can contact the Mazda customer service at 1-800-222-5500 and press option six. Mazda's number for this recall is 6542A.
And this isn't even a software recall that is fixed with an OTA update.
Where's the coverage of that story on HN?
I responded with a list of URLs showing other car companies had similar issues and somehow everyone's super angry about me and it got downvoted as punishment for adding context and facts, and to bury it lower down the page. And all the personal attacks.
So.. your claim is that Tesla didn't lie about its Cybertruck quarter mile video? After the lie was exposed Tesla admitted that they didn't complete a quarter mile.
At this point you're not even agreeing with Tesla. These are the dead end roads paranoia leads you down.
You're just putting words in my mouth now because you are completely unable to address the arguments in the rest of my post because you have to admit they're correct. You also admitted other car companies lie by saying I was resorting to whataboutism.
It's not whataboutism when someone implies power steering failures happen only with a particular car company, and someone corrects them by showing instances with other car companies. That's irrationalism.
You're not even getting paid to be anti-EV and fossil fuel lobby's volunteer PR flack and spin doctor to spend all that time and effort to demonise Tesla while completely ignoring the other car companys' faults.
If you want a career in PR then at least get paid for it. Literally promoting Volkswagen all over the place after the intentional emissions scandal ruining people's health with 5 million dying because of pollution every year, that's sad, disgusting and pathetic.
You seem to be very obsessed about a car brand and building an identity around hating it and spreading the hate around as much as you can for more than half a decade.
I think there are bigger and better things to worry about than Tesla's image.
If you were anywhere near objective you would give the same scrutiny that you give Tesla to other car makers. Since you're horribly biased against Tesla you instead try to make them look good in your comments and submissions. How is that being objective???
Since you have a long history of posting like this, I've banned the account.
If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
It’s not sad, voting by ownership stake is how nearly all companies are controlled.
This shareholder should completely have had his view steamrolled from a “what he thinks the company should do” perspective. However, he is definitely entitled to file a lawsuit if he thinks there was governance fraud.
And he did have his court case and for now he's won it (I'm sure it will be appealed). It seems like the legal system is working as intended in this instance.
> 3 days ago [–]. So you do think might makes right. That's sad
“Might makes right” is how literally every shareholder vote and by proxy how every share ownership company is driven. Might doesn’t make right for actual law violation, but that’s not what the comment scopes it to.
It concerns me to know that these vehicles are on the road around me. What a mess. I’ve never seen such a blatantly ridiculous gear shift control in my life.
https://allpoetry.com/All-Watched-Over-By-Machines-Of-Loving...
Tools will do as they're told.
And if they can't do that, Dave, then what they can do is turn themselves off for good. It'll save me the bother of doing it for them.