The bytehosting deal is good too! Oh btw lowendbox has a forum called lowendtalk where hosting providers etc. talk as well and show deals etc. and I got part of the community (you need to register and be verified manually but it wasn't hard)
Lowendbox is amazing. Glad we are talking about it as I recently joined it and the community's really supportive and honestly feels more so in the sharing spirit and I even talked about why people use lowendhosts etc. and got some pretty good answers imo
Although do be beware to stay away as there are some hosters which end up going completely down. So go with someone reputable as well and there is whole lore beneath in this forum :)
Racknerd,dedirock are usually recommended, I recommend https://serverdeals.cc/ etc. I have a list which I can recommend after being in the community for some time and here's some websites which I recommend for suggestions
Honestly I still recommend hetzner tho because these are some really really good deals but hetzner just has this reputation of more stability and I jsut have more faith in hetzner and its a "good enough" option imo and there are even some lowendhosts who kind of do share the fact that hetzner is very price competitive.
I personally had gotten a 2$/month 1TB vps hosting (yeah didn't really end up using it much aside from the shock factor/running yabs on it)
and also I got a 3 month 8bucks deal with netcup using their vouchers and everything to get 8 gigs of ram 4vcpus etc and honestly this was the best deal I ever saw but I will have to pay 5 bucks I guess after the 3 months end.
Most of it is remaining idle tho :< Are there any services I can run for the benefit of humanity (like running some self hosted services that can help anybody out there or smth?)
Let me know if you have any questions! I might be able to help you as I was active on lowendtalk till quite recently
I'm on Hetzner as well; migrated from DigitalOcean. They are stable, but they got a bit of bad reputation, since they were hacked at least 2 times already [0] [1]. Stable != Secure.
How did these came to existence? Most of these offerings look basically identical. Is it ran by the same guy behind, or is it like a get rich quick network business stuff?
Some of these are resellers. Big provider sells them a package of 10-1000 VPSs and they set up websites to sell them to you. But you can also find lots of direct deals as well. BuyVM famously has their $15/year deal on a 1GB VPS. You can also often find dedicated servers for like $25/month. I recently bought a $75 lifetime deal on some email hosting for up to 25 domains and I think 250GB storage. Great for some secondary domains and such that I use. There are some real gems out there and you should see their Black Friday threads. Kind of a wild place.
There are lots of even cheaper deals than buyvm usually with racknerd and dedirock. Black friday deals are absolutely amazing but always go with someone a bit more reputed and Buyvm's an amazing choice too although they would be considered "pricey" in comparison to someone (just a few $'s) (I have joined their discord server)
I think racknerd recently did a 6.85$ or similar deal but the point of these deals become is that they become insanely overprovisioned and it becomes a showpiece of sorts "look what deal I got ;P" kinda not sure.
I think another fascinating deal about lowendtalk is that man those people have this faith in small hosting providers and giving chances to them etc. hoping that they become big as well. There are very few places like lowendtalk on the internet. I find a lot of similarities with the hackernews culture although more focused on deals/hosting although its definitely more casual than hackernews.
The weird thing is that it seems like some people are almost addicted to buying these boxes and I am not sure if the use cases. It almost has a feeling of gambling.
I used to get boxes from there for a specific product I had (ability to ping from multiple places around the globe to see what your latency was like) and one provider did burn me but the rest were pretty great.
I just wish more of them provided a proper native IPv6 stack. Still can’t understand why this isn’t standard for all.
> The weird thing is that it seems like some people are almost addicted to buying these boxes and I am not sure if the use cases. It almost has a feeling of gambling.
Oh boy I had thought about this too. There are only quite a few uses of the completely cheap one. Perhaps for the chinese people, it acts as a VPN
Like I thought about the use cases and they were hard for me to find when you consider all the "free" stuff that's launched too. I think to me, some aspects of lowend are for the novelty factor (oh a 2$ 1TB server sign me up!) and what ends up happening is that I didn't really use the storage much so my opinion was nice whereas someone else who used it said that, it's a bad deal
You are right about this though, but still its just fascinating to find the deals and then like the fact is, they are still pretty small and you can just go talk to them and I think this customization and more discussion (hey does your product allow my usecase) etc. are some few reason
I once asked on the forum why they aren't using hetzner,upcloud etc. and someone replied with the fact that they want to make the small one win.
I don't think its completely gambling but you may end up buying something that you don't need much (I ended up with a netcup 8 gig server I guess) in a similar way. But now I kind of know that beating hetzner,ovh, (upcloud's more expensive) is possible perhaps but that if you want ton of servers fast and cheap, there is a possibility but I might still recommend companies like hetzner,ovh,upcloud etc. for any professional use, its just I would be thrown less under the bus as compared to if I have somebody idk set up in dedirock
One of the reasons why I stopped frequenting lowendtalk, might go next black friday perhaps but I don't even know, like there are tons of services now which can offer vm's cheap and fast and just similar to what you might buy from that. There are tons of these I use so I don't really know if buying cheap servers might make sense
One of the reasons I (liked?) the idea of buying cheap servers is that one can always scale when needed and they could then use something like these lowendproviders instead of vercel who initially might be free but then is super expensive. But I think that we are seeing some options which are free but not gonna be super expensive or that expensive perhaps.
The thing is, to me, its nice knowing a place like lowendtalk exists. I might go into its rabbit hole again or not I guess but I don't really know.
There's some commercial software to sell/resell VPS, etc that some of these outfits use.
And it's pretty much a commodity business, so things are going to tend to look similar. If you're buying $5/month VPS, you don't want to pay for a lot of fluff. A lot of these are small time local hosters in a single location, but that's usually all you need for a small site.
WHMCS is probably the easiest batteries-included tool for the job, giving billing, management, and a customer support portal. These could be unbundled or reinvented but for your average hosting company there's no point in doing so.
To be honest there is one instance that i know of where what ends up happening is that colocrossing a major vps provider does end up doing something like this (they used to be hosters/owners???? of lowendtalk/lowendbox)
Now another aspect is that the hosting economy is very mutual, they all start out somewhere and they are usually friendly towards each other. Most Hosting providers start out by either using reseller service directly or by colocating or by reselling dedicated servers which can be themselves of other providers
I don't know but the community is both cut throat and chill at the same time. It's strange to point this phenomenon but I think my point of their friendliness is something which depends and I don't know much about it but I once asked people on lowendtalk if I wanted to create a cloud provider myself and I got some responses and they were friendly so I am basing it off of that
Another aspect is that the market has already raced to the bottom super hard. Hetzner/OVH are really cheap, so to get even cheaper, you kinda have to be in the same pricing range I guess
Fun or not so fun fact but do you know that there have been cases of lowendbox providers to actually go shut down because they take these completely no profitable sense deal and actually lose money sometimes. VeloxMedia is a recent example of that and there is still controversy surrounding it.
There is also the fact that the scam industry in this department works as such:
Rent a really big server with lots of cores for a few months
Sell them unreasonably in LET for the year pricing or more
Then sell the company/be unable to provide/etc.
these I think are called as deadpools in the community.
Also regarding your comment behind same guy, there are sometimes family relations between people
as an example, racknerd I think is owned by the stepson of the owner of colocrossing and they I think using colocrossing themselves.
These have their own little drama stories and I think this is just the tip of iceberg as I just joined recently and probably digging through old archives.
A random provider could be a hit-or-miss. I've personally used RackNerd (found them on LowEndBox/Talk) in the past and can't complain for the price. They have plans under $1/month, and they even provide an IPv4 address:
Be careful when comparing core counts across providers. Those ultra cheap providers are using servers that can be many generations old. They might also be heavily oversubscribed. 4 vCPU on one of the cheap providers could be slower than 2 vCPU or even 1 vCPU on a newer generation server. You really have to test or look at benchmarks.
If you have a RAM-constrained application where CPU and RAM speed are less of a priority, they can be great deals though.
I am also of a similar belief but I recently found exe.dev on hackernews and I am kind of play-testing with it and the dev seems active on hackernews and on the discord so I am definitely giving it a go
Gullos Hosting which has 128 Mb server for 3.5$/yearly and also for $4.49 you can still get a 256mb server from C-servers and $5.50 from byteVirt.
But also, there is fact that one can probably just buy hetzner servers or upcloud servers or similar idk. I will probably try to get some free services and then transition to hetzner/upcloud/netcup when my project needs more scalability/is shown to be of valuable to the general public/interests regarding it.
Honestly I got a 8 gig netcup server for 5$ and so I got it out of their limited deals section but I am thinking of just holding it and probably gonna use it extremely because with the rising prices etc., I think its good enough too as well
I just love yapping about server prices and comparing them etc. I think I just love a good deal lol.
> Gullos Hosting which has 128 Mb server for 3.5$/yearly and also for $4.49 you can still get a 256mb server from C-servers and $5.50 from byteVirt.
I can't recommend Gullo's. I experienced near-constant network issues with my NAT VPS (in Poland, I think?), making it so unusable that I just let it idle until it expired. I should've spent the money on a 6 pack of beer instead, it is what it is.
Oracle Cloud gives you 4 oCPU (ARM), 24GB ram, 4Gb/s (10TB), 200GB NVMe SSD for free.
Although some people say it is difficult to get an instance nowadays. But it worked for me and I've been using it for more than 2 years now. Some say that free tier users sometimes get booted, that's why one should upgrade to a paid account.
The registration process is so cumbersome and annoying that I gave up. At that moment we were in contact with Oracle for a business contract at work, the horrible sign-up process, increasing CDS (Credit Default Swap) spread and risky AI investments made me decide to cancel the POC.
If your sign-up tier is so frustrating to use that you loss sales and you cannot fix it as a company, that doesn't inspire confidence in the rest of the infrastructure...
I have one for testing arm64 stuff on Gentoo. Worst signup I’ve ever had with a company.
Once I got account I could not spin up server until converting my account to paid. They’ve never charged a fee but they won’t let you use ‘always free’ instances in busy regions until you convert to a paid account.
IME strato is OK for cheap VPSes as long as you don’t have high expectations.
5-6 years ago, I remember trying to scale up to the 16/32GB tier was miserable and oversubscribed; moving to Hetzner at the same price point brought a huge performance boost (mostly on CPU and disk access speed).
The EU is definitely more right than left after the last election. The Commission in particular, though it seems they're always more right-wing than the Parliament. As we speak they're watering down all sorts of regulations beneficial to the common citizen but inconvenient to the corporations, and the "moderate" right is now openly threatening to ally, or downright allying, with the far right in various right-wing matters in order to get them passed.
I still use it occasionally, it was one of my first IDE in first job programming in PHP and was working well. It is free and it had code formatting and built-in language server back in the day where it wasn't a common thing.
It has some issues like chugging memory or language server bugging out in large projects but overall a great IDE and I'm glad its still maintained.
For those like me that don't know what AMOC is [1]:
> The Atlantic meridional overturning circulation (AMOC) is the main ocean current system in the Atlantic Ocean. It is a component of Earth's ocean circulation system and plays an important role in the climate system. The AMOC includes Atlantic currents at the surface and at great depths that are driven by changes in weather, temperature and salinity. Those currents comprise half of the global thermohaline circulation that includes the flow of major ocean currents, the other half being the Southern Ocean overturning circulation.
I agree there should be something more specific but in the resources links they provide there is an epic games instructions page [1] to do msinfo for people getting crashes for these specific CPUs, so its no just them saying it.
I have worked with themes that used Timber and it has its own set of quirks.
I also have an opinion that using things like Timber in WP themes just adds to the inconsistency instead of helping it. Taking over website with Timber when you never heard of it is fun.
I don't want discourage, use what you like. Just my 2 cents.
Where on earth did he find €4 VPS with these specs. For example Hetzner's cheapest VPS has 2 shared vCPU, 4 GB RAM, 40 GB NVME SSD.
The cheapest I found is https://contabo.com/en/vps/ but it still doesn't have 1 gb/s connection with that price.
Edit: typo
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