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Perhaps some rogue proofreader "fixed" a stray character

Numeric keypad? Spill-resistant.

Reminded me of the book Fast Food Nation where they describe the artificial flavor industry (Chapter 5), and visit labs in New Jersey where fast food tastes are created by "flavorists". Most of the taste comes from smell, via gas molecules released in the mouth.

The book also covers how they scout out real estate, and how they create french fries by shooting potatoes at 80 mph. (A bit different from in-n-out)

Note: don't bother watching the movie, it's nothing like the book.


Could it also be about the looks? Waymo has a rather industrial look, with so many LiDARs, and the roof turret.

Some companies work on reducing the size of it so manufacturers will be able to put it inside the car behind the mirror. Innoviz is one example https://techtime.news/2025/11/14/innoviz-27/

The roof mount seems very practical, but it's a look that may turn off some buyers... buyers who care about looks.

For SUVs, maybe it could be blended in with a roof air scoop, like on some off-road trucks. Or a light bar.

Where is the LiDAR on the Atto 1? In the grille? How much worse is the field of view?


My impression is that Chinese consumer products haven't been hijacked by the "design above everything else" mindset. The priority is to make things work at scale.

American product design is obsessed with appearance and finish. Products end up costing 3 times more and functionality is degraded.


Also car as a status symbol. If you look at it more utilitarian it’s not that bad as long it’s somehow compatible with a roof rack or box.

I have noticed that in Chinese web / app design philosophy as well, it’s always function over form.

i think over time tastes will change as people appreciate that function can define form, unlike the other way round

For real? Every car has looked the same for past 10-15 years. Crossover SUV no matter the brand or big ass truck with flat front. Not to mention the monstrosity that is the Cybertruck that should never have been allowed on the road.

My personal take is that if users can get used to the notch on the iPhone , they could get used to that too.

From 2024:

> Users of Google and Apple’s photo cloud services can now transfer images between them. It was already possible to export photos and videos from iCloud to Google Photos, but now it can also be done the other way around: from Google Photos to iCloud.

https://www.techzine.eu/news/applications/122196/google-and-... (2023 Data Transfer Initiative (DTI))


Yes, many ZIP files. You can select the ZIP file sizes, from 1 to 25 GB, iirc. Although a few end up larger than 25 for some reason. And took 1-2 days for Apple to "prepare".

Chase spelled my name incorrectly on my account. It took several phone calls over 2-3 months to get it fixed. Humorously awful, I guess.

Searching online, another difference is no late fees for missed payments, only interest, while Chase's late fee is $40. Will that change?

> will be very expensive

Expensive compared to other industrial robots?

Maybe wait for a consumer version... without 56 DoF. Although who knows what kind of laundry folding might be possible with 56 degrees of freedom, and fully rotating joints!


Just curious about the price of these once the roll of the line. I would pay 150k for it today, not 500k. So I wonder if I will have one next year or not.

And for now; who knows if it can fold laundry, literally the only demos we get is dancing and marial arts, 2 things I could not care less about. I want my house painted in whatever hot weather (painters don't work in the summer here because too hot), laundry picked up, stairs cleaned etc. I don't need a 100k robot doing Korean dances.

But I think this 56 DoF might be more interesting than whatever the consumer product will be, as the consumer products seem to be vastly worse even than the industrial ones and both had 'sketchy' demos of doing very simple tasks (slow, parkinson like, many takes, often with someone controlling it with vr glasses and controller).


Many outlets are quoting Morgan Stanley analysts suggesting they’ll start at $150K. Here is a non-paywalled article that has some info about the MS claim: https://www.automotivemanufacturingsolutions.com/automation/...

From the article:

Hyundai aims not only to use humanoid robotics but also to scale it industrially. The company plans to build a production system with a capacity of up to 30,000 robots per year. Analysts at Morgan Stanley Research predict the market for humanoid robotics to reach a volume of around five trillion US dollars by the year 2050. For the period around 2028, when Hyundai plans to start scalable production, a unit price of about 150,000 US dollars is expected.


You can have a lot of actual human help for $150k, that doesn’t break down every hour.

$150k is about 2-3 manufacturing floor salaries for one year. I am quite certain many companies would prefer to buy a compliant robot slave that will never ask for a raise, take sick leave, or get demoralized than to pay 2-3 fulltime employees the value of their labor, only to have them leave for a better job 6 months later and have to train new ones all over again.

150k is the cost of a single employee 24/7 for one year. You might get twenty years out of it.

humans can only work 8-12 hours per day.

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